The main reason is rules, I am really not sure what will give a good game for these guys, some years ago Chris Charlton and I did a lot of work to alter Saga to fit this collection, it worked really well but I find Saga to be a fairly boring game after the first 5 or 6 games if I am honest. A few rules seem interesting, Infamy Infamy perhaps or Dux Brittaniorium ( I probably spelt that wrong) I do like Lardie games so these may be
worth exploring.
These are really simple figures in terms of clothing so you can spend a bit more time getting the best out of them. The collection is of course based on the old Foundry North European Bronze age range by the Perry Twins, lovely as it is, it is also a bit limited so for the larger games I envisaged (maybe 40 or 50 per side) I needed to be a little creative in expanding the range, simple conversions and additions from other ranges, for instance the nearest of the chariots below has ponies from a different range so they are not all the same.
The female leader below is a Hasslefree miniature of Boudi, a stylised Boudica, like her a lot. Basic paint job but I cut down the base so there was ust a little spike left over, drilled the chaiot base out and slotted her in. I think it works really well.
I did also pick up the pack of villagers so the Heroes have an audience. I like having characters but I dont do many as they distract me from painting the figures we will actually game with.
I initially worked towards two factions with a degree of colour difference to help me distinguish them, below are the red/brown facion, baddies of course with skull banners, I cut away the sun disk from the banners and replaced with annimal skulls which I think look pretty cool. Other than that these figures are pretty much as they come.
This bunch are my double handed axemen, the majority again as they come, a little bit more design on some of the kilts to shwo their status. The chap on the left is a spear man with the spear cut away and axe head added, next along has a head swap ad far right is a charioteer mounted onto a foot base. Each charioteer has a matching figure on foot so he (or she) can dismount and duel with other heroes.
This next bunch are a bit richer still with swords and large sheilds, mainly bronze ones, again only changes here are the charioteers mounted onto foot bases.
The spearmen below mainly sit within the blue/grey faction and I do have some conversions in with these, I had a lot of the guy advancing wih double handed axe so for a few of these I cut away the axe head and added a long spear, far left and far right are good examples of this with far right also gettign a head swap, third from the left is also a different axeman with the head cut away and replaced with a spear. It just adds a little diversity to the group.
Some lovely characters in this range, the eleborate horn is lovely, I have added a trophy head to the dismounted charioteer at the back and Boudi is at the front un-altered. The chap to the right is a North Star figure of an Irish chieftain, looking at his long sword probably Iron Age but Iwont tell anyone if you dont.
The spearman leader figure is also really nice, pointing at the back, the warrior next to Boudi on the left is carrying a hand axe, got a couple more of this one.
The standard bearer is as he comes with bronze sun symbol, this is the original for the two skull standrads earlier.
There are 3 different mounted figures, I have tried to make them reasonably diverse, however as I understand the ponies would have been very much like our Ex-moors I have limted myself to a simple pallette for them and dropped a couple of greys in to break it up a bit.
Depending on the rules I end up with I may need to supplement these a little as 13 is hardly a round number. It did occur to me to buy some dark age Irish cavalry and then convert a couple for Bronze age and the others for the Elizabethan project. Food for thought.
Like the javelins the bowmen have only two figures in the original range, I have expanded this by adding in a couple of picts and some Trojan wars archers.
The Foundry range has ust the one slinger, a boy which works well as it would have been the village youths that employed the sling, I have done some head swaps and moved the arms a bit on some of these but not painted any of the Foundry ones yet, I added a pack of Warlord biblical slingers, the slim build is perfect but they were all bearded so lots of head swaps required, ust these two so far, pesterign a wounded warrior.
And a Bronze Age collection would not be complete without Shamen and semi naked dancing girls. I added the sword so he had somethign tosacrifice to the water spirits.
I still have maybe 40 figures to paint for these and probably some bits to pick up to fill gaps in, I have though been reluctant to invest any more time or money in this lovely project without an end goal in site in terms of rules. A few have been suggested, I am actually tempted by the simplest route which would be minor amends and down scaling to use Hail Ceasar. Fleshing out the rules on duels and chariots might make it playable, not sure if I would capture the flavour of the period though.
Food for thoughts, see you all again soon. Stay safe.
It’s a lovely collection mate. Don’t think you mention how many different bronzes you’ve used! Stick with it. Those rules including units and heroes will turn up eventually...
ReplyDeleteTalking to James about the ones he is workign on. Short term I may just adapt Hail Caesar.
DeleteHC doesn’t present as a solution to me. It doesn’t have heroes. Unless your heroes are units
DeleteP.S. Kev Moon at ELMS has some of this range too. You could bounce rules ideas of one another
DeleteCheers Chris, will get in touch with Kev as we progress.
DeleteI agree HC does not seem like a natural fit, it does however have a system for challenges and addition dice added for leaders to join warbands for melee, food for thought.
DeleteWhat about Dragon Rampant as a rules set?
ReplyDeleteCheers we did try the historical version of that, Lion Rampant? It was OK but didnt really feel right.
DeleteI love what you've done with this collection. I own this range too and like you mine sit in boxes as I have yet to find a rules set for them I would like.
ReplyDeleteNext time I use them, I'm gonna try the Dragon Rampant/Pikeman's Lament rules style, with suitable modifications. I do love that system and feel it's more suited to skirmishes than Hail Caesar.
My force is smaller than yours though.
Great paint jobs (as usual with you!)
ThanksJoseph, Lion Rampant will work, not sure it really covers the heroes well. Got some ideas to try out.
DeleteInteresting collection and a nice read as to the background thinking behind it. Looking forward to more of the same.
ReplyDeleteFantastic collection and a lovely well thought out mix. Particularly like the cavalry 👍
ReplyDeleteThanks Matt, more to come eventually I think.
DeleteSo many splendid figures...and terrain, congrats!
ReplyDeleteCheers Phil
DeleteColour me impressed! It has been a fast journey from the early rumblings of interest on LAF to getting the mini's sorted and painted!
ReplyDeleteI look forward to seeing what you go for rules wise. At first glance it appears that Infamy! might be the most fun set of rules. I'm thinking Sea Peoples going off course and raiding, Even a Mycenaen mini invasion???
Lots of scope my friend, keep you posted.
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ReplyDeleteLovely work! I have thought of using the Irregular Miniatures Scots spearmen to pad out the NEBA spearmen http://www.irregularminiatures.co.uk/images4/DSCN088725mmscots.jpg
ReplyDeleteThanks Gisby, I will check those out.
DeleteThey might work quite well, would need to think about using the helmet or not but other than potential good fit there thank you.
DeleteThey are looking very nice Roger...
ReplyDeleteI’ve been looking at Of Gods and Mortals as a rule set to use for my own project... it feels like it lies somewhere between Lion Rampant and a Song of Blades and Heroes...
All the best. Aly
Thanks Aly, that sounds interessting, I shall investigate further.
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