Wednesday 14 November 2018

A Fourth Lilly Banners Playtest

So we decided on another game of Lilly Banners for the Great Northenr War to try get a bit further alng, this time joined by chum Chris Charlton who is looking for a set of rules for his new Sedgemoor project. I had lent my rules to Mark for 2 weeks and he had read through them thoroughly so we would have some more experiene of the rules on table, unfortunately he was too ill to come.









  We decided to give the Swedes a handicap of Cossack foot in a village and try something more offensive with the Saxons to see hwo they got on. Not too well was the answer but here you go.

Order of Battle

Swedes

1 Brigade of three battalions, Veteran Pike and Shot
1 Brigade of four Horse, Veteran Blade two with addition of Elite
1 Brigade of 3 raw Polish horse blade
1 Brigade of two battalions Raw Cossack Foot.
1 gun drilled

Saxo-Polish

2 Brigades each of three battalions drilled, all shot, flintlock
2 Guns drilled
1 Brigade of four Horse, Drilled bullet
1 Brigade of four Polish horse 2 drilled, 2 raw all blade

Using some of Barry's proposed amendments form the forthcoming Great Northern War suplement we used the following:

The Cossacks were in light cover, we added the rule that cossacks get all musket but not flintlock and no first fire.

We also added bonus's for the winged Hussars of lance and armour, although as they never saw action....

The Swedes had the ability to incline and moved at six inches instead of four.



Steve took the Swedes and the two Chris's split the Saxo-Poles between them.

So first moves Chris Charlton didnt move at all and Chris Flowers got half of his wing moving. Steve got all of his so swept forward with the Swedes leaving his raw Poles hiding behind the village and woods. The Swedish gun fired and scored first blood.

Once Steve had given his Cossacks a defend order it left him free to ignore 6 units out of  his 13, as he had an exceptional commander this meant he was almost always going to get to move the majority of troops he needed to.

The Saxo-Poles had no such luck and any movement was spent on getting the foot moving up to harrass the village, the cavalry for the most part remained stationary and ready to counter charge the Swedes. This did mean that the Poles never fought each other so we didnt ge to see the special Lance and Armour bonus's.

Chris F's Saxons advanced steadily and opened up a galling fire on the Cossacks supported by both guns. The Cossacks however passed their morale despuite being raw, the bonus for a defend order plus supported and under command helping them out here. In return the gun concentrating on Chris's right hand unit inflicted devastating casualties until it eventually was forced to retreat through a failed morale test with 2 thirds casualties.

At the same time the first Swedish foot battalion and the Swedish Cavalry all charged home. The foot marginally won their first ecounter with the Saxons who missed entirely with their closing fire, The Saxons scraped through a morale test to fight a second round in which they were defeated even more convincingly and routed. Both horse actions saw almost identical results and two of the cavalry units routed from the table.


The next unit of Saxons had however made it to the bank outside the village, the angle was too tight for the gun so it was battalion against battalion, however the Cossacks would not be budged and the Saxons were unable to charge them until they had shaken or disordered them. The rule is that most foot can only charge shaken or disordered oppostion foot, troops in hard cover are allowed to be charged but we had defined the village as soft cover. Oops!

The gun hit the retreating Saxons again taking them to shaken and the Saxo-Poles accepted defeat.

The game wasnt very balanced if I am honest (my bad) but in my defence as a play test it was more about what works and doesnt and how different troop types can be used.

I think we learned a lot, but again we are only very slowly becoming proficient with the rules.

Steve has asked us to try a Black Powder game with the Great Northern War collection next week. Mainly to help us contrast the Lilly Banners. I still like the mechanisms of these rules, the challenge is likely to be organising games with multiple players who are less interested in the period or learning the rules. Black Powder does have a clear advantage in this area for us as we have all played them before on numerous occasions.

Well lets see what it looks like next week, will have another (possibly smaller) game with Lilly Banners and again will share the results with you all on here.

Thanks for reading.

18 comments:


  1. Awesome game!
    I envy. At the Saxons I saw the Russian cavalry.
    Next week I will present my first Swedish cavalry regiment.

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    1. Hey Aleksey, yes I dotn have enough Saxons yet so used my two Russian units as well. Looking forward to seeign your Swedish Cavalry, keep us informed!

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  2. Great looking game Roger. Think you need to paint up some more Saxons

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    1. Ha, no kidding. On the upsid Mark as 16 battalions of Danes and Norwegians for tomorrow night!

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  3. Beautiful stuff. I'm still having an awesome time using my 10mm stuff with pike and Shotte using some extreme stats and a couple of mods. Swedes are incredibly tough, but keep running out of men!

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    1. Exactly what we are lookign for Jason, I see this being a hybrid Black Powder and Pike and Shotte with home grown additions that make sense.

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  4. Your games look excellent! It reads like a good one, even if you think the balance was off. I’ll be curious to see the comparison to BP.

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    1. Me too Peter, I have done it once before, it needs a lot more work but it certainly can be made to work well.

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  5. Awesome looking game Roger. Shame the Winged Hussars didn't get any action.

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    1. I am introducing a new rule, whoever has the Winged Hussars must charge!

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  6. Fantastic looking game, love the basing. Can you tell me the size you are using ?

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    1. yES i USE A 50MM FRONTAGE WITH AN 80MM DEPTH. tHIS WAS TO ALLOW FOR THE CHARGED BAYONETS FROM THE sWEDES BEING PROTECTED BY THE BASE AND ALSO THE WEDGE FORMATION OF THE HORSE.

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    2. Oops sorry for the capitals.

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    1. Cheers Hamster Cam, two games using Black Powder to come, report on here soon.

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    2. Great more pics to come :-)

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  8. Inspiring figures, table and game as usual from you.

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  9. Cheers Dino, nice to hear from you, hope you are well.

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